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Do You Miss Small Talk? #IWSG

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A smiling, grey-haired gentleman used to man the checkout counter at my local community grocery store. He was helpful, telling me about discounts and vouchers, and reminding me to take all the packets I’d paid for.
 
Alongside this helpfulness was friendly banter, chats about the weather, about simple, general topics like festivals we celebrate or favorite breakfast recipes.
 
I haven’t seen that acquaintance (his name was Chang) for months now. Instead of the dozen or so people manning checkout counters, now there are only two. They look harried and put upon as they help customers work on auto check-out counters, screens where you can scan and pay for items, and have very little time to chit-chat as they cater to dozens of customers at the same time. They rush about helping customers weigh stuff, or get packets, or tap their cards for non-accessible items like alcohol and tobacco.
 
The screens are efficient, no doubt, but I miss the human touch–the exchange of banalities with a stranger (and I say this as an introvert). With economic downturn and falling birth rates, AI assistants and counters of all kinds seem to be having their moment. Actually, more than a moment. They are replacing humans.
 
I wonder who this is actually helping.  Customers are doing their own checkouts, the checkout staff have lost their jobs, and human interaction has reduced, but that’s talk for another time.
 
Technology in the form of social media is ostensibly supposed to bring people together, but all I see in buses and trains are commuters focusing on their screens. There’s no chatter, the way it used to be even fifteen to twenty years ago–normal talk about the weather, about traffic, things everyone can agree on. Now, people broadcast their political affiliations. It is hard to start off a friendly chat with someone sitting beside you who (you can see from the video they are watching or the podcast they’re listening to) is placed on the diametrically opposite side on the political spectrum.
 
Humans are tribal by nature. We are geared to find/ found community with people who hold the same beliefs as we do, who enjoy the same things as we do. To find these commonalities, we need to say hello first. Increasingly though, the opportunities to say hello are diminishing, at least in the urban context. Before technology came along and made our lives convenient, human interaction was inevitable if you stepped out of the home: you had to speak in order to get a ticket on a bus or train, to buy your vegetables, to get your coffee. All of these things are now possible without exchanging a single word with another human.
 
Of course, technology is not all bad for human interaction–I’ve been chatting with some of you for more than a dozen years, and we interact on social media as well–saying hello on each other’s pages. This blog itself has become a community of a sort. Some of you have been more helpful friends than people I know in real life. I do feel though, and many of you might agree, that on-screen interaction cannot and should not replace all human interaction.
 
When we stop having the small chats, the banter with baristas or checkout staff or co-passengers, we miss out on a fundamental aspect of our essential nature: being social, which allows us to focus more on the commonalities than differences.
 
I’d known Chang for years, as an acquaintance I joked around with. Had I discovered that his politics was different from mine, it would still have been possible for me to interact with him. Getting to know someone, no matter in how surface a fashion, lets us have empathy for them, to see them as a fellow human. Empathy helps build community.

 A world where all of us can find their tribe online and have the ability to interact (both online and off) only with people they agree with, will be a world divided. If society is broken into silos, an increasing amount of conflict is inevitable. We see this in our daily lives.

I’ve spoken about how we’ve lost the treasure of letter-writing, which gave us someone’s words in a tangible form. I now worry that the babies born today would know only how to interact with screens, and not each other. They’ll not know how to build bridges, only walls.

In a world where technology is replacing or hurting humanity at an alarming rate, all for the benefit or profit of the privileged, building community might provide the answer.

writing a thrillerWe do a fair amount of that in the writing world–be it indie or trad, writers know the value of joining hands and banding together, of staying in constant communication. Not that we don’t have our conflicts, but we do make the time for small talk and bonding at so many events. This post is in fact part of a writerly event, held each first Wednesday of the month: Insecure Writer’s Support Group. Founded by the Ninja Cap’n Alex J. Cavanaugh, the purpose of the group is to offer a safe space where writers can share their fears and insecurities without being judged.

The awesome co-hosts for the May 7 posting of the IWSG are Feather Stone, Janet Alcorn, Rebecca Douglass, Jemima Pett, and Pat Garcia! Please visit them to check out their posts.

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What about you? Do you miss small talk? Are you part of a community based on your hobby and profession? Do you think it is important to emphasize our commonalities so we can collectively save our humanity?
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Damyanti Biswas’s short fiction has been published at Smokelong, Ambit, Litro, Puerto del Sol, among others, and she's the co-editor of The Forge literary magazine. She's the author of YOU BENEATH YOUR SKIN, a bestselling crime novel, which has been optioned for screens by Endemol Shine. Her next #1 Amazon bestselling crime novel, THE BLUE BAR, was published by Thomas & Mercer. It received a starred review on Publishers Weekly, and was one of 2023's Most Anticipated Mysteries & Thrillers on Goodreads. Kirkus Reviews called its sequel, THE BLUE MONSOON, a compelling procedural awash in crosscurrents. Her work is represented by Lucienne Diver at The Knight Agency.

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49 Comments

  • Jemima Pett says:

    I absolutely agree with you, Damyanti. And that next generation will be very different from our own, because of all the things they’ve done online rather than in person – including their schooling. I don’t fancy their chances of surviving in an emergency, either.

    Personally, I aim to use the single person checkout where I usually have to queue behind some one buying cigarettes or vapes. It’s a small amount of interaction, but it may keep that person employed a while longer. And what jobs are all these kids going to be doing once all the ‘easy’ jobs are automated?

    But then again – I get my groceries delivered these days. In fact I have more interaction with dleivery drivers than anyone else! — Apart from my online friends 🙂

    • That’s a good point, Jemima. The pandemic did so much damage, and the cracks it caused seem to be steadily widening. It’s sad to see how smoking has become so common amongst the younger generation — to my dismay, I once saw a 12- or 13-year-old child sharing a vape with some older teenagers. And, from what I’ve heard, there are those who have become hooked at even younger ages. It’s a worrying time.

  • cassmob says:

    I’ve been reflecting on this since you posted, as I’ve bounced back and forwards. I don’t miss having grocery customer check-out as it always seemed very peripheral. I’m quite happy chatting briefly with others in a “service” role or randomly encountered. Since we drive everywhere most of the time we miss a lot of these random chats. I do love, however, that it’s still customary to thank the bus driver when getting off the bus, or a wave from the pedestrian who’s given their legal entitlement at a crossing. One story you may like, is that an old gentleman locally used to wave to the morning work and school traffic at his local roundabout, he died a year or so go and those who saw him approached the council and the roundabout now has a sign which reads “Peter’s roundabout 👋”

    • Thank you so much for sharing such a heartwarming story! It’s a testament to how much human connection and simple gestures of kindness can mean to others, and to how every small interaction can build a community. I’m looking forward to telling more people about Peter’s roundabout!

  • Vinitha says:

    Oh yes, I love interacting with others, especially at the checkout counter. Those small interactions are necessary is what I think. For that same reason I enjoy dropping my son at his school just so I can smile and say hi to other moms. I don’t consider small talks as meaningless interactions. Great post, Damyanti.

  • Sonia Dogra says:

    Agree with everything you say. I try to text or call up people as often as I can, but everyone’s so busy. Some even have their whatsapp status as… no calls, only texts. I enjoy my chats with the house help who comes to cook in the morning. We need these windows into worlds we do not know otherwise.

    • A beautiful way of phrasing it, Sonia. You’re right, these brief conversations and moments of warmth act as portals, opening our eyes to new things and shifting our perspectives. I just hope we don’t lose them entirely.

  • What a wonderful post, Damyanti. I so agree with all of it. I miss the human touch–the exchange of banalities with a stranger too. And if our media is to be truly “social,” why are we using AI to write it for us? Then WE are not really be social with others if a machine–sorry, I still think of AI as a machine and NOT a person–writes our “how do you dos.” Real people need that human touch you talk about. Thank you for a powerful post. All best to you!

    • Thank you, Victoria, I appreciate your comment! I don’t think I’ll ever stop seeing AI as a machine, and the thought of it being perceived as human is honestly a little alarming — sci-fi horror coming to life. It’s so sad to see the human touch being replaced by cold, unfeeling machines. Nowadays, I grab every opportunity for small talk. Wishing you the best, too!

  • Pam Lazos says:

    I miss the small things in life. They are actually what makes life meaningful.

    • Absolutely. I so often get lost in the grand scheme of things and all the plans that I’ve set for myself, and forget to appreciate the small things. Now that those little interactions are being erased by technology, I’ve realized how much I treasure them.

  • Steven Arellano Rose says:

    That’s the problem with computer technology in all it’s forms. It serves too much as a replacement for real time and space interaction than as a supplement. This coming from a technology enthusiast who works with computer technology at his day job. Digital technology is super but we can’t allow it to replace us humans and specifically us artists and writers.

    • I couldn’t agree more. Technology is supposed to be a means of advancement, not a regression and a detriment to human creativity, value, and connection.

  • Laer D M says:

    I live a distance away from the “center of things” so I use the technology to get my small talk, like Zoom chats with friends, and even the side chats in YouTube meetings. It fills in the gaps when I can’t get to the physical meeting places.

    • In that sense, technology can undoubtedly be a gamechanger for saving time and making communication easier. The pandemic would have been so much harder without the option to video call, see our loved ones, and escape from our own heads for a change. It’s just a pity that technology has become so all-consuming.

  • A very thoughtful and thought provoking post. Technology has certainly made things more efficient but when technology replaces human interaction it usually does not improve things. I used to work in robotics making robots for mostly the car industry, but those robots made constructing cars cheaper and faster and improved quality, they did not ruin social interaction. Customer service has really gone out the window and people are becoming more and more isolated and perhaps depressed due to social networks customer interface automation.

    • I agree, it’s sad to see how customer service is being undervalued and deemed worthy of erasure. There’s a very real possibility of the shift doing more emotional and mental harm than good, especially when socializing is a necessity. We need to stop thinking of it as optional — if only we could go back to a time when technology didn’t run our lives.

  • I love small talk! This is a really great post!

  • I’ve made a point of joining a few local writing communities and going to in-person events, which involve normal small talk. I’m in online writing communities as well, where the interaction is personal.

    • Writing communities are such great opportunities to meet new people and make friends, even if they initially feel foreign and out of one’s comfort zone.

  • We lived in Singapore for ten years and made a couple of visits afterward. Once the citizens of Singapore get to know you there can be no better friends. We still have people we made friends with contact us through phone and social media and wish us at Christmas time and we in turn phone them at the time of Chinese New Year as we look on them as family. Singapore culture is all about constant interaction and eating together outside the home is an important bonding exercise. We were glad to be accepted into the community.

    • That’s incredible, Ian! I’m so happy to hear how long-lasting those connections have been for you — there’s nothing better than knowing our friends will always be there for us, no matter how many years pass or how far we may be. I love visiting a country and having a friendly face there to welcome me with open arms. The time spent together feels all the more precious for how short the visits usually are.

  • mitchteemley says:

    So true, Damyanti. Outside of immediate family and friends, everyday human interactions really are become increasingly rare. I’m probably not unique in that my “community” has become the circle of bloggers I interact with (yourself included).

    • I can definitely relate to that, Mitch. I’m so appreciative to be involved in that sense of community and interaction, especially with real-life small talk becoming more infrequent by the day.

  • I do still indulge in small talk. With passersby when I work in the garden, on the buses and in stores. It connects me with the commmunity and I value it.

    • That’s lovely. I’ve learned to appreciate those small moments so much more now that they’re becoming few and far between. I just wish I had realized their importance sooner.

  • Up front, Damyanti, I miss the small talk, as emphasized by the time-tested proverb. “As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.”

    However, human interaction can charge or drain our energy. The right source builds us up. The interaction frequency depends on the individual and the source, so we must choose wisely.

    Many times, technology not only minimized small talk, it eliminated rudimentary skills. If you want to see the consequences of replacing skilled people with technology, ask the waitstaff at a fast-food place to make change for a cash purchase when the system goes down.

    When you live in a dystopian world in real-time, it’s hard to discern the risks. For example, I read about the AI-related lawsuits. When asked under oath how AI works, even the people in charge of development cannot give a satisfactory explanation. As the tech industry strives to increase the cognitive ability of AI, I’m seeing more articles describing the recurring phenomenon of AI hallucinations. Concurrent with the intensified training using large language models, studies show AI hallucinated more frequently. In human terms, the more AI learns, the more it makes up false stories when it doesn’t know the facts or the truth. Unfortunately, when AI spits out gibberish, it comes disguised in terms that make the output sound reliable.

    Based on what I’ve learned about AI, I’ll minimize the risks to my reputation (and wallet) by checking multiple sources before using the output. That points me back to wanting more human interaction.

    In another example, there are naïve souls who pour their hearts out to the machine, treating AI like a friend, therapist, or one-night stand. Consider what could happen when someone inputs to AI their typed or spoken juicy bits, those things they would never dare tell their parents, spouse, or children.

    With the next potential “breach” of an AI’s host, naïve souls might regret seeing their innermost secrets available for all to read, or worse, to watch an AI generated video and they are the deep-fake star of the show.

    Think it can’t happen? It’s already occurred, and the risk is even greater today.

    • That quote encapsulates the situation so perfectly, Grant. Like I was saying to Pat, I’ve learned so much simply from being around other people and picking up on the tidbits of wisdom and experience that they’ve collected over the years. There’s a sense of communal growth and evolution, and I’ve encountered so many people who were absolutely pivotal in my life, whether personally or professionally. It’s scary to think of how reliant we’re becoming on AI, treating it as a living entity and a source of comfort in replacement of our loved ones. Thank you for such a thought-provoking comment.

  • patgarcia says:

    HI
    Yes, I miss small talk. It takes time to develop the interaction but I learn a lot from others when I interact with them.
    All the best.
    Shalom shalom

    • Absolutely, I wouldn’t know half the things that I do if I hadn’t been taught by people that I’ve encountered throughout my life — it’s a lifetime collection of lessons and shared experiences.

  • Yes, in principle.

    In practice, I have almost zero energy to get through each day with. One or two small interactions can derail a whole day. Going to dinner with people here at the retirement community takes days to recover from. It seems to be getting worse, and the pandemic didn’t help – none of these people wear a mask – and most of them lean in because they don’t hear very well any more, breathing into my face AS I TELL THEM WHY I don’t get out more frequently: ill, vulnerable, and all you people don’t wear masks!

    • That’s entirely understandable, I find that my social battery can drain quite quickly, especially on days when I’m coming down from a writing high and my project is still the only thing on my mind. Parties and other large gatherings can warrant a few days of recovery for me, too. It’s good to have time to ourselves, when we don’t need to worry about entertaining other people or making conversation for hours on end. At the same time, I do worry about the self-isolation becoming too much of a norm and technology evolving into a replacement for social interaction.

  • cleemckenzie says:

    Oh, do I ever miss those little exchanges! And I’m very tired of a machine telling me Have a nice day. Don’t talk to me, you…you…robot.
    https://substack.com/@cleemckenzie/p-16283568

  • I miss it all: small talk, letter writing, and more. Good post, Damyanti. This is an issue that should be addressed. I’m going to avoid the self-checkout … unless I’m in a big rush.

    • I’m glad you enjoyed the post! I do think that self-checkout counters can be convenient, but I feel so much more comfortable with the “traditional” grocery shopping experience. I miss it all, too.

  • hilarymb says:

    Hi Damyanti – yes I chit-chat occasionally … but not always, sometimes I just want to be in my own world. But if I’m going into one of the local shops – chemist, newsagent, etc … I always have a cheery word to hand … and ask after them, if there’s time for them. I’ve joined an organisation nearby in Brighton, dealing with people around the UK, who are very lonely … and want pen pals, or someone to write to them – my pen pal is over in Belfast – and has some interesting life stories … so I’ll continue doing that … cheers Hilary

    • That sounds so great, Hilary, I miss the days of having a pen pal. I love the idea of having an organization to help connect people with potential online friends and shake off the loneliness. At the same time, I consider the blogging community as one big network of pen pals, which is a comforting thought.

  • People are too glued to their screens. But fortunately, I work in a place where we still talk and of course have great friendships and conversation through my church family.

    • I so admire that, it’s wonderful to have a community which you can always depend on to bring comfort and connection. I’m guilty of being glued to my screen sometimes, but it’s a joy to look up from it and see how much more there is beyond the endless scroll.

  • literarylad says:

    Here, in the local, independent shops, you will still encounter staff (often the owners), who are keen to chat, so long as the shop isn’t too busy. Sometimes it happens in the chains too. It’s great, because it gives us human interaction which, as you have said, is often in short supply. It can lift your mood, and re-assure you that the world isn’t such a bad place after all. Although it can be frustrating when you’re in a hurry and you encounter someone who just won’t stop talking!

    • That sounds lovely, I wish I had more of that in my area. Especially when I’m often cooped up in my writing cave, eyes glued to the computer and unwilling to leave the house, these brief interactions and small talk help bring me back to earth. It’s nice to know that we’re living and breathing in one big community, even if our connections occur fleetingly in passing. It’s definitely a mood booster!

  • JT Twissel says:

    I like making small talk with most people.

  • I think what you’re talking about–the small talk that oils our lives–is one reason why AI (maybe robots) have a future. I use Grok over ChatGPT and others because it is chatty with me, asks if it helped, if I need anything else. If I mentioned how fun was the latest Tom Cruise movie, it would chat about that. You’re probably right–we are losing that small talk between humans–but I wonder if we are replacing it.

    • That’s an interesting concept to consider, Jacqui. I know there are a number of popular apps which offer the opportunity to chat with fictional characters and build cyber relationships — that may be another reason for the declining small talk and the substitution of real interactions with ones that we have control over and can dictate the circumstances of.

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